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alibubbalicious |
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I've written short stories for pretty much as long as I can remember. For years I've been considering making a go at writing a novel, but various
reasons have always stopped me from getting futher than a few pages. My question to you all is: how do you get started? I'm interested to hear
how other writers get going. Pros and cons to outlining the entire novel versus just starting and letting it take you where it leads (with a rough concept in
mind, of course)? I tend to spend a decent amount of time outlining characters, but as I said, I've never really tackled a novel before. I'm finally
trying to get started and I don't want to peter out like I tend to do. Any advice is very welcome!
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NVwryter |
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For me, it's all about character (we've had this discussion before, but it's always worth discussing again). I create characters, know them inside
out, then let them tell me their stories. I get into trouble when I try to force them into a plot they don't care to be forced into. Just me, of course,
but it seems to work. I also, BTW, know about where I want the story to end up, how long it should be, etc. And I should also say I've had a bit of
practice at this point in my career.
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Paul W West |
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Ali,
I know I posted about this some time ago but I'll repeat it for your benefit. Some time ago, many moons back, I took a creative writing class that was recommended to me by my Communications professor. I really enjoyed it, but after all these years, I can't remember much of what I learned, except one thing. For the final test in the class we had what we used to call a "Blue Book" test. We had to purchase a "Blue Book" at the campus book store and it was basically a notebook with lined, blank pages, and a blue cover. For the test, we were given two sentences that did not appear to relate to each other in any way. I can't recall what they were. But, we were told one sentence had to be the first sentence in a short story and the other the last sentence. Now go connect the dots. Like I said, the sentences didn't appear to relate, and for about 10 minutes I struggled with my thoughts. Then, I began to outline a course that would connect the seeming unrelated thoughts. I got an "A" on the test and an "A" in the class, even though I'd joined the class half way through the semester. I'm really not trying to brag. My point is that I knew the beginning and the ending, kind of like what Ellen said. I just had to craft a story that connected the two. To do that, I outlined a rough plot and used that as a guide to keep me on track. I think if you have an opening, and an ending in mind, you should be able to overcome any kinds of blocks that are keeping you from writing your novel. Good luck with it. Paul
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alibubbalicious |
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Thanks for the thoughts. Sorry to repeat a topic. I run my own board and I know how annoying that can be.
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Illandur Stormcrow |
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Well Ali (Do you mind if I call you Ali? Is it Alison or some such?), my two cents on this subject:
I write epic and adventure fantasy stories for the most part. I created a really great AD&D scenario (yes I am a 41yr old D&D geek, so sue me…) when I was in my early 20's and tried to us that as the basis for a book. I wrote about a 20,000 word attempt then ditched. It was flat and plot driven and really had no depth or character development. I found as I read over it that I really didn't care much about the characters, and I had no clue where the story was going or why. I didn't write for some time after giving up on that project. There were earlier works, a horrible novel I tried to write in my teens, some short stories (only one completed), and lots and lots of AD&D scenarios. However nothing ever really stuck with me and I never really did much with it. Life went on, I got married and divorced. Somewhere in the chaos of divorce I started wondering why I was so unhappy (other than the woman I loved deciding I wasn't the one she wanted to spend the rest of her life with after all...). One of the reasons I came up with was that I really don't like the pressures of the industry in which I work. That of course made me think about what I would like to do instead and what I really wanted out of life. I came to the conclusion that I want to be able to spend maximum time with my children (I have three boys) and that I would like to do something creative and have control over my schedule and goals, (I.E. work out of my house). Of course being a fiction novelist would be perfect. One tiny problem arose with this plan. As Ray Bradbury so succinctly stated, "Writers write. If you are a writer, you WILL write." I had not written for a long time, but I was determined to get back to it. The first thing I tried to do was figure out what had kept me from completing stories in the past (other than pure laziness). I ended up determining it was a number of things; a) Lack of a theme or underlying meaning for the work. Why am I writing this? Why would anyone want to read it? Is it just for entertainment and escape, or do I want to say something real? b) Lack of groundwork. No outline or background for the story, no sense of what the story was about or where it was going. All my stories were just simple plot driven action. c) Lack of character depth. All my characters were two dimensional. Cardboard cut out heroes with no reality. No real feelings or human interaction. No motivation beyond adventure for its own sake or trite stereotypical motives (i.e. save the damsel). Answering these questions gave me a starting point to move forward. Once I had identified these things, I decided that I would do the following to rectify the problems I had identified in my work: a) While I am not much on social commentary, I decided I do want to at least put forth some ideology in my work. While the main thrust is to entertain, I would like to leave my reader with a new idea or two to ponder. I do think that this is an important thing for every novelist to ponder. What message to I want to impart? Once you identify the message, you will be one step closer to discovering the right way to express it. b) I decided for me the best thing to do was to outline the entire story in chapter summary form before doing the real writing. My chapter summaries tend to be between half a page and a page of short concise sentences that sum up the events for the chapter. Once I had the skeleton I build from there. I know where the story is going. Thus as I write I will not dead end or get so caught up in plot that I lose sight of the theme or the overall direction of the story. Note: Even if you outline extensively, expect your story to burst boundaries and pull you down paths you never initially imagined. Don't fight this, just go with it. Often the story knows best. Once this has occurred, I would suggest following the tangent until you know where it is going to lead. Then restructure your outline around it. c) I like to write detailed back story. I am creating my own world for my stories. I want it to be robust and lend depth and a feeling of realism to the setting. I think this is important even if you are writing contemporary or literary fiction. Your people and places will most likely not burst onto your pages newborn and story-less. You will often find a key to building tension around them lies in forcing them to dredge up the events of their past. d) Create detailed character descriptions, motivations, and values. Make the characters believable people that the reader cares about. Not just stereotypes they have seen a million times in movies. These are the things that I did when starting on my current novel. I am now (a number of years later) a bit over 90,000 words into an epic fantasy adventure, and within about 7 chapters of completing the draft. I really believe that I will finish it in the next few months. I had actually put it down for the last year and a half and worked on some shorter projects. I wanted to polish my craft a bit get some publishing credits before I took the big plunge and tried to start selling my big project. But I have done that now. I sold a few stories and have a few more that I expect to sell soon. I am ready to finish the draft of my novel now and begin the revisions, and have already begun to do so. So, my advice: • Read some of your material, and see if you seen any basic flaws or lacks in content or writing style. • Once you have identified these, try and work out solutions • Create a plan to put your solutions into action • Write, write, write • Revise, revise, revise That's about all I have, I hope this was useful and/or informative. Good luck in your writing endeavors! "The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with!" - Marty Feldman Illandur Stormcrow, AKA David J. Cohen - Author of ![]() Art by Tal Hollingsworth at www.greenskins.com All works © David Joel Cohen |
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I just sit down, close my eyes and then write. Somehow, characters walk in and out of my stories. Some stay, some go. I write by the seat of my pants with no
real direction...it just kinda happens. I write YA Christian fiction and have a series published but I'm really, REALLY enjoying my book that leans more
towards the fantasy side of things. Not even sure what you call it.. Christian fantasy?
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alibubbalicious |
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Wow, thank you for that lengthy response, Illandur (or is it David?). I think that I can put a lot of that advice to good use. And yes, you may call me Ali.
And yes, it's short for Alison (but only my family and work colleagues call me that--to everyone else, myself included, I'm Ali).
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Illandur Stormcrow |
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You are quite welcome! Good luck with the book! And yes, David is me...or I am David...or someone is...I get confused...
"The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with!" - Marty Feldman Illandur Stormcrow, AKA David J. Cohen - Author of ![]() Art by Tal Hollingsworth at www.greenskins.com All works © David Joel Cohen
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Case Van Zandt |
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Yes, he is David. He is Legend.
Pretty much everyone thats already posted is a better writer than I am, and certainly better organized and efficient. At this point, all I can offer is that if you CAN write, then just write. Sit down, grab your paper or word document, and start putting words down. You've written short stories, so Im sure you are able to string more than a few sentences together. Now string a few thousand more together, with a much more elaborate plot, with better character development than in the short stories, and just do it. It might not be great, but once you get past the need to just get the story done as fast as possible, and escape the clutches of short story brevity, then you will look down one day and say "holy crap! Im well on my way to a novel! And where did I get this tattoo? I didnt drink that much last night!" Ok, the last part was me, but you get the picture. Outlining helps alot of people. It will give your story structure and a decent timeline so you know where youre going. Or you can just kill David and assume his identity to steal his books. (You might want to beat yourself about the head with a large stick for awhile to achieve the proper look)
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Illandur Stormcrow |
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Unfortunately you cannot steal what has not yet been written...Case is actually ahead of me, he's finished a book and working on a second. Steal his identity and works! They are much more interesting (You can still beat yourself about the head and shoulders if this appeals to you, but in his case you'll want to follow up by setting yourself on fire then douse in a privy in order to achieve the right effect.)!
"The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with!" - Marty Feldman Illandur Stormcrow, AKA David J. Cohen - Author of ![]() Art by Tal Hollingsworth at www.greenskins.com All works © David Joel Cohen |
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NVwryter |
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And BTW, Nick (AKA Case) happens to be a brilliant writer! Hope you're feeling up to snuff (just don't do any of THAT shit!) and are back at the
keyboard.
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alibubbalicious |
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Good advice and comic relief abounds! I think I might love this place.
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Case Van Zandt |
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#1 - David I have NEVER been doused in a privy! Wait... swirlies dont count do they? As for being back to my old ornery self, Im probably on my last leg here
and going downhill fast, but I will ALWAYS have just enough energy to give you a virtual noogie bro!
#2 - Ellen, thanks for the props. Youre too kind (your check is in the mail!). Im slowly getting back to the keyboard. The problem is that by time I actually waddle my broke butt to my desk, by time I sit down Im exhausted lol. I definitely came back to work too soon, but bills must be paid! #3 - Ali, dont let our advice and witty repartee fool you. In all seriousness, you should probably run while you still can. David has been known to randomly resort to cannibalism. The fact that I join him when he promises to bring BBQ sauce and free beer is irrelevant.
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Illandur Stormcrow |
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mmmmmmm...finger-lickin-good...
"The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with!" - Marty Feldman Illandur Stormcrow, AKA David J. Cohen - Author of ![]() Art by Tal Hollingsworth at www.greenskins.com All works © David Joel Cohen |
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Case Van Zandt |
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its real "finger food!"
hyuck hyuck!
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